any compressor with an envelope can do this.

I actually still use the freeware h20 quite a bit. Be careful googling for it though!

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I would say they are not a must as such, handy if you need a little more attack maybe. But countless ace tracks have been made without them. Remember if you are mixing into a limiter that will be working against you as the kick/snare transients are those arrested first usually. Transient modification, compression, harmonic distortion, eq are all usable if you need more drum punch.

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To be fair they are something I hadnt really heard about till I bought Komplete last year, I do like to use the one in Guitar rig probably more than I should, lazy way of tightening up breaks but I dont like to over do it.
Like side chaining, amazing thing to use if done well but if over used can really kill the vibe.

I don't agree, the main difference is that a transient shaper can make sounds more transient than they were in the first place. An envlope follower can also only make sound less transient.

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Alloy can be rather sexy on kicks. You can adjust the attack time of the transient boost to add or reduce the attack perfectly. Multiband is great too if needed.

Also loving the offline effects in Xfer Nerve - nice transient shaper and clipper/overdrive to flatten out kicks and remove overly spiky transients without it ruining the punch.

Couldn't you technically say a compressor does transient shaping? It does affect the entire sound more as a whole, but still accentuates or reduces the attack portion of the sound if required...

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The only thing a normal transient shaper does is ride the volume. And you can do that with a ADSR on a sampler also, zero attack, short decay and low sustain value, add in some makeup gain for the volume loss. You now have "more transient" then in the first place.

You have to remember that each part of an envelope (ADSR) only define a part of the sound in time. Gain can be applied up or down however you want at each stage. Not all synths and samplers let us do that tho, a few have a "invert" switch for the envelope instead, as in the filter section on the roland sh-1 for example.

An envelope follower can only make sound less transient? not true.
You can just use the decay to your advantage as in the example above, or you could invert the value you get from the attack stage to control volume (or whatever you like) giving you a stronger transient. Given that I cant gain each stage freely that is.

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What you're saying is that you can use a combination of different processes to get the same result. So really you're identified yourself the actual main differences between the two, as opposed to "the way they're triggered". Anyway this is spilling over into ego teritory now, I don't think we're really contributing useful info.

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Between the two what? A normal sampler ADSR and a transient shaper? Im not saying that two different processes can give the same result, Im saying that at a module level they are the exact same process.

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I read the last sentence as "A ADSR in a sampler cant "add in" transients the same way a transient shaper can" and I wanted to point out that they both work with the same information and they process it the same way. So there is no difference except that the transient shaper is triggered by audio and the sampler by midi.

Probably not.

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