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right.......the question is this.......which sampler should i get??? they are both the same price and both have the same sound to them???? if you had to go for one of them which one??????


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any views on my question???

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save your money

buy a pc with kontakt and halion

and save money to get a 'real' EMU which does have the z-plane filter ....

if i really had to go for one of those ... emu al the way.

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i have got kontakt and halion and i think that they are both shit! plus they slow down my pc sooo much! there's an audiable latency with my software options and i don't like it!

what do the z-plane filters do? why are they so good, or better than the standard filters?

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save your money

buy a pc with kontakt and halion

and save money to get a 'real' EMU which does have the z-plane filter ....

if i really had to go for one of those ... emu al the way.

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esi2000 has zplanes u snobbish bastards. in all reality (and don't start nitpicking, cuz u know its true) theres nothing u cant do with a good sequencer, recycle, and an esi2000 that u can do with the e series. some specs may differ, tho. but i'm talking in real life, functional usage.

the e series zplanes are a little more flexible...but their still not morpheus zplanes. fuck the hype...they certainly wont make or break u as a producer

i think the a4000 has onborad fx standard, which is a plus. is the 2000 expanded? i think the filters def have a different sound to em...hard to explain. try before u buy, ya know. i prefer the warmth of emu's circuitry, imho. u might get more standard memory with the a4000 too. i'm not certain. check the specs.

kind of vague in my response, i know. you wont regret gettin either. play with em in the store if u can (or ask for a demo...navigating thru menus for the first time can be awkward as hell) don't forget to set a little cash aside for a scsi card if u don't have one. and extra memory too...at least in the near future.

good luck, brutha!

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you'll also really need an internal hd .... look into that too!

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cheers for the info. subproject8 both of the samplers come with standard 4mb.... i have been told that this will need upgrading but why.......will it just simply perform better?

i got a demo of the a4000 in the shop and it was wiked. the shop earlier that month had done a bench test between the two and they both came out with the same sounding results! hardly any audiable differences (so, its really a case of which one i prefer!)

what did you mean by onboard fx......does the esi2000 not have this/ and lastly, the scsi card does what and where do i plug it in? i.e do i use the card with the sampler or the pc???

cheers, mate!

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you'll also really need an internal hd .... look into that too!

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what, actually in the sampler or the pc i have??? not quite on the same wavelength!!!

i'm quiet new to all this as u probably already realised!

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mikee,

to get the most from your sampler, you'll need a scsi card for your PC (the sampler is already setup for scsi use)...u can bounce samples back and forth between the two. edit them on your PC and send them back to your sampler & so forth.

hard drive...i'll talk to the esi (i have a esi4000) but i'm sure the same is true for the a4000:

while theoretically, it's possible to mount a HD in the esi2000 (or so i'm told) u can mount it in your PC instead and have the esi format it via the scsi chain. basically, the drive is powered by the PC (and resides there) but is dedicated for use by the sampler. you'll need a scsi HD with AT MOST 4 gigs. you'll have to read up on how scsi works to get the most out of such a setup.

http://www.tweakheadz.com/surviving_scsi_hell.html

i wouldn't mount the HD in the sampler, cuz it has no fan (too noisy anyways) so overheating could become a problem.

extra onboard fx (besides timestretching & all the 'normal' ones) on the esi is called the 'turbo option'. it's ok, but the fx arn't great and you'll have better luck bouncing to PC, effecting the sample, and bouncing back. there is also fx send and returns on the esi to hit the samples up with outboard fx. so really, if it has the turbo it's cool, but i wouldn't go spend extra $$ on it.

memory dictates the length & number of samples u can load at the same time. you will want to upgrade this once u get your head around the sampler's functions. this isn't very expensive.

just add these things to the sampler, little by little. having all at once can be a little overwhelming to learn & set up.

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If you are going to want to transfer things via SCSI (and it's more likely than not you will) I would skip out on the a4000. The Yamaha samplers have a ridiculously SCSI long load time. Most of the reviews I saw said something like it took 3 minutes per megabyte of sample data. Unless you are not really interested in putting your own sounds into the sampler (what's the point of that?), I would skip the a4000 and go with the Emu.

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I got my A4000 yesturday and I have to say I'm in love with it. Slow SCSI load times? fixed by the OS patch downloadable from Yamaha's website... 96 different effects, routed through 3 buses... if that aint enough just resample and bounce the effected sound to disc for further sonic crunching....
The OS is a bit different to most samplers but within 15 minutes I was up and running, the a4000 has recycle-like functions built in, I was mashin up breaks instantly! The overall sound is crisp n clean... what you put in is what you get out, ideal for people who lean towards the techy side of things!
IMHO if you're gonna get an EMU get an Ultra, if you're on a budget like me the A4000 is for you!

On the negative side, you'll need a hard drive (floppies are cunts) and a SCSI CDRom drive (the firmware supports writable CDs for backin up your samples) to make the most of it.. oh and a SCSI card for your PC and don't even think about tryin to make it talk to your soundblaster...

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oh and you can also route sounds thru it as a standalone digital FX processor.... :)

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right.........change of plan guys!!!!

instead of the emu esi2000 and the a4000...... i think i might spend a little more and get the E-mu e5000 ultra

.....do u think this would be a better idea? i think so!

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yep.

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i love my esi 2000. but it i wish it had more outs. the filters still rock.

yamaha have totally stopped making there sampleres now so id get an emu

go for the 5000. u wont regret it mate

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Bump.. cuz I see theres some ESI users in here.. which is rare, on the grid.

Subproject.. I still haven't gotten my head around my ESI 4000 fully yet.. where exactly are the Z plane filters? I just see a couple Low pass, couple high pass, and a bunch of ones w/ funny names like 'bat phaser', etc.. and then theres a couple 'swept EQ' ones..

Also, have you used the FX return thing before? Never messed with it personally, cuz I have a mixing board.. but I'm wondering how it works and sounds.

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Yamaha a4000 is not only a sampler but also a multi-effects in one

Its all about effects and the standard ones on the e5000 are pretty crap


I don't know which i'd go for as i've heard that the a4000 has slow loading times but as they guy above has mentioned this may have been fixed


However, i agree with you in purchasing a sampler ...you can free your computer up for other tasks and also get the benefit of better filters


How much? would you be paying for the Emu e5000? I reckon they're worth £250-300 2nd hand as they go for £399 new

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I had troubles with getting the A4000 to SCSI connect with my PC (XP). I never got it to work. I returned it after maybe 4-5 months.

apparently Im not the only one who couldn't get it to SCSI connect with XP, (Yahoo A5000/4000 group) but some were able to.

the filters on it sounded pretty cool. didn't dig the effects too much. VST plugs I use sound better imo.

All in all, I could do everything I wanted to do on the a4000 with software but a lot quicker, so with the money I got back from the sampler Im investing in a new computer.

Ive never tried the EMU one.

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Bump.. subproject8 I want your input on my question above, if you're around.

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apparently Im not the only one who couldn't get it to SCSI connect with XP, (Yahoo A5000/4000 group) but some were able to.
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