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12-30-2011 08:31 AM
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'In key' or 'in tune' does not mean 'exactly the same note'. Your drums will still be in tune if they form a 5th or some other complementary harmonic interval.
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12-30-2011 08:53 AM
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Yeah, no one tunes rock drums after they are recorded. Tuning drums is an art form and one of the most important parts of getting a good drum sound when recording. It is also about a LOT more than pitch. It is about the attack, sustain, depth and tone of the hit and how the top and bottom head are tuned to work together. In reality, the "note" of the drum is decided by the dimension of the actual drum and while tuning can pitch it up or down, it is more about getting the right "sound" rather than the right pitch.
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12-30-2011 10:59 AM
Nothing NEEDS to be anything. But it is something you should try your hardest to achieve, what Full Clip said is spot on, it's about getting sounds which 'go togethor' in the mix.

I personally would never pitch a kick or a snare, i feel it totally degrades the ADSR of the sound.

In addition, sometimes after I've made a beat that 'fits together', their will be a resonant frequency of some sort, so when I go to make my bassline I tend to know exactly what note to start with. I think this is acceptable? It might take years of tuning guitars and stuff to acquire this technique though I'm not sure ..
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12-30-2011 11:13 AM
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12-30-2011 12:56 PM
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I wrote that sentance on processing then went through the article looking for proof, found nothing bar something about Lars having different kits.....

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interesting article anyway, obviously bob rock knows his shit, but i'd like to do a bit of experimentation with mics, or reverb in the box perhaps. the way drums are mic'd fascinates me, a lot of it is about getting the different parts of the kit to bleed into other mic's.

anyone experienced in ways of emulating this kind of technique in a DAW?
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Not saying your point isn't right, but the example is a bit weak.

Lars wouldn't play with the tuning but the mixing engineers sure as fuck would after..

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr0...es/bobrock.htm
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I bet hands down that the drums on your favourite tunes haven't been tuned.
Photek was the master of pitching drums, Yendi being a prime example - the same kick drum used at two different pitches. The lower pitched kick hits the same time as the lowest double bass note, presumably so they don't clash in the mix. This is a great way to add some subtle melodic content from an atypical source in addition to clever arrangement so you can get away with super low bass notes.
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12-30-2011 09:17 PM
Sure, Concsiousness and Ni Ten Ichi Ryu are other good examples from Photek of that. I'm also a huge fan of Kenny Dope (Masters at Work) who uses different combinations of pitched snares, kicks and hats in his beats.

But using different relative pitches of percussion to create an interesting beat isn't what this thread is about...it's the frankly quite odd idea of tuning drum sounds to the key of the track.
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12-30-2011 09:54 PM
Wouldn't say it's "odd" just not necessarily mandatory. Teebee made a point of recommending you tune your kick to the root note of the song in his Q & A session...
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02-20-2012 06:25 PM
I read this the other day. Can see the logic in it

http://www.resoundsound.com/weekly-t...r-bass-sounds/
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