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Need some advise on subbass
Hi,
I am currently working on a remix for a contest and the original tune is in Dsharp, which means that the corresponding subbass (clean sine) is hitting at around 38hz. Now, my monitors dont actually go that low so I just mixed the subbass in with a spectrum analyser. The problem is that I am a bit concerned about the actual "sound" of the sub. I played the mix through one of my low quality logitech satellites + sub (something like this: http://www.sigmapconline.co.nz/images/16473.jpg) and even there I cannot really hear the sub, although that has not got to mean much considering the quality of the system ^^. Now... I started to layer the same sub an octave above which now hits at around 77hz (sidechained to the kick), but turned it a bit quieter. That actually makes the subbass quite audiable but I do not know if its very good idea to have 2 subbasses hitting down there and that it might sound quite weird to hear 2 subs on a system which can actually play that 38hz subbass properly. What do you think? Shall I just leave the one subbass at 38hz? (If someone here got a decent soundsystem or some monitors which go down that low I can send you a mixdown with and without the higher sub for comparison...Cant put the mix up for public download due to the contest rules...) Last edited by Candleflame; 02-28-2012 at 02:59 PM.. |
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Well you probably want your mix to translate well to other systems... your best bet would be adding some saturation or subtle distortion to your sub bass (either as an insert or in parallel, try both) which will help add some harmonics that will be audible on smaller speakers. You could also try using a low-passed square, triangle, or other wave instead of (or in addition to) a sine wave.
However, there are different schools of thought on this, and it really depends on your arrangement. If, for example, you have a Reese bassline with a pure sine sub bass playing the exact same pattern, then you may not want/need to add harmonics to the sub, as you already have a Reese which will come through on small speakers playing the same melody. OTOH, if your sub bass isn't mirroring another element, you probably want to make sure it's heard on smaller speakers.
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why not post a clip?
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kk i bounced you a section just then:
The first section you hear is the normal one (with the 38hz sub), second one is the same sub but lowpassed at 100hz with some distortion on it, the third one is the one with the 38hz sub + the quieter 77hz sub. -------------------- its all in one audiofile after each other and i put a limiter on so all versions are all equalish volume Last edited by Candleflame; 03-15-2012 at 12:26 AM.. |
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Use something other than a sine. The only way your sub is going to be audible on a cheap system is if it has harmonics above the fundamental frequency. By definition a sine wave is exactly not that. Personally I often use square or triangle waves for my source waveform. The square requires some filtering obviously but it the harmonics actually make it sound more prominent even when steeply attenuated. You should find somewhere that has enough low end to check your mix. A few too many dB and a sub can dominate your whole tune, a few to little and the tune will fall flat next to other DNB producers. Distorting the sine is an option too and you pretty much end up with the same result if you can hear it.
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@smoothgroover that maybe be true at 38hz but subs are quite often situated at 60hz where its a good balance between hear and feel imho. i just want some insurance that im not wasting headroom and have an empty <100hz space Last edited by Candleflame; 03-01-2012 at 06:30 PM.. |
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38hz is really low, like too low. Probably makes more sense to use a higher note that is also in tune. For example a perfect fifth up, or even a seventh. In any case, if your system can't reproduce it, you can't mix it properly, and I have to recommend leaving it out. Having no sub is better than having poorly mixed sub.
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