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03-18-2012 10:14 PM
I was in the same position than OP, so I thought about getting piano lessons but this:

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Piano lessons generally involve learning to read and play other people's sheet music, without any knowledge of why the music works or how to write your own. It'll be good for learning how to position your fingers and for getting your hands to work independently, but practising a piece of music that you don't like over and over for hours could get frustrating if you were wanting to learn the theory side of things.

If I had taken lessons (I can't even afford it anyway), I would have wasted time in learning a skill that would have little to do with fixing my problem which was mainly a workflow problem.

Now I just jam most of my stuff with my midi keyboard. It's not always in time, but I can fix it in a couple of clics, I can't play any kind of score, but that's something that is totally irrelevant to my goals. Am I a great piano player? Hell no. Does my current skill serve my main purpose? Pretty sure it is. Could I get some improvement by getting lesson? Probably, but I don't have the time, nor the financial resources.


Also don't make the mistake into thinking that music theory is complicated, the problem with most tutorials, lessons, books, is that they keep the latin jargon and stuff, huge waste of time imo.

It's easy really: get a drum pattern, get a chord progression, use the notes from that chord/scale to write your bassline and your melodies. Tweak it until it sounds good, and voila.
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03-19-2012 02:03 AM
I just bout a book Picture Chord Encyclopedia. This book has over 1,600 chords in it. I just practice those out of the book. Then listen to some music that I like that has really cool chords in it. Then I try to find the chords used and then just play around.

Ghetto way but oh well.

If you guys are looking for a good piano vst and standalone app to use while you practice, check out CVPiano.

http://www.kvraudio.com/product/cvpi...iano-by-tascam

It's pretty rad and I use the standalone when I just want to play around.
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If you guys are looking for a good piano vst and standalone app to use while you practice, check out CVPiano.

http://www.kvraudio.com/product/cvpi...iano-by-tascam

It's pretty rad and I use the standalone when I just want to play around.
that thing looks amazing :

ezkeys by toontrack - http://www.toontrack.com/products.asp?item=125...i hope i would buy it soon,,,its exactly how i imagine harmony/melody helper and a piano all in one...and the chords are written also on top of the midi...

another thing that i found when i was doing a little chord progression research is that one : http://www.synleor.com/improvisator.html...its super intuitive and tidy and it basically shows 2 rows of chord degrees min/maj and a lot more functions and when you click a chord it gives you suggestions that would continue your progression in a nice way and it even goes into modulations and what not...

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03-19-2012 12:39 PM
This is why there are so many shit tunes about, people think because they have a compter , they are all of a sudden a musician/producer/engineer!

So yes, if you want to make 'music' then you will need to learn the instrument better.
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03-20-2012 12:12 AM
The Groove 3 vids are "Just the facts ma'mm" and dry as hell, but all the better because they skip the fluff.

And for like $40ish USD, there are a billion dumber ways to spend that money. One of the best purchases I have made yet.

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Guys - thanks again for all the replies.

Think I may lay off the actual 'piano lessons' with a tutor, and instead just invest some serious time into music theory.

- Normie: will look into that Groove 3 tutorial.
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03-20-2012 10:28 PM
I think you learn quick with a teacher, although you may need a keyboard with weighted keys to be able to practice quicker.

Somebody mentioned practicing stuff you dont like, I just found out how much stuff I do like...you could even buy the microjazz beginners book, or bachs' easy childrens tunes...they are good....

seeing how notes are laid out & how the simplest musical motif is used & developed can really help you.
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03-21-2012 10:38 AM
Nice to see the replies still coming in

Been quite busy work-wise these past few days but in the short bursts I have managed to fire up the studio, I have really enjoyed just playing the keyboard, messing around with chords and what-not (such a welcome change to losing HOURS tweaking shit and getting nowhere!). I have also been listening to a lot more other styles of music lately outside dance and, for perhaps the first time, I have really been listening to what is going on in the music. Quite a liberating experience.

Have a day off today and have got a copy of the groove 3 tutorial so look forward to firing that up and seeing what I make of it.

ps I am also looking at learning about song structure and how to turn my riffs/chords into a chorus/verse/bridge - something which I literally have NO idea about - although that may be something for another thread!

Hopefully one day I may come up with a completed track
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03-22-2012 03:14 PM
I was in the same boat 4 years ago - relying on samples and having no music theory knowledge at all.

So I tried 2 teachers who where useless and then found a proper jazz piano teacher. Long story short I can now get sketches and ideas going playing the chords myself/knowing lots of different ways to create different chord progressions whether it's soulful/jazzy/dark and moody.

It gives you a real insight into how all music moves (not just jazz) so I would highly recommend it although it's hard work!

I would deffo recommend going the music theory study route - learning piano just makes things a lot clearer although I had to start with theory behind nursery rhymes! You have to learn to walk before you can run :)

I would go for it - best thing I ever did
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