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04-02-2012 07:43 AM
I've been having the same problem. So what i did was find some pro tunes that i like that have ONLY the bassline playing before the drop for like 4-8 bars or whatever. Sample that, then chuck it into Melodyne and it shows which notes are being played and for how long = instant access into how pro's play their basslines

Of course, i dont copy that tho. It just gives me some ideas when im stuck
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Check my post here:

http://www.dogsonacid.com/showpost.p...44&postcount=6

I meant to post it in this thread but got confused when I was reading another thread as another user said he wanted some help with theory.

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04-02-2012 01:26 PM
lol @ trial & error methods!

No wonder you guys are struggling to get tunes out. Afaik, every pro out there uses the Vanguard standards, and have done since the earliest days of dance music.

These are the 128 basslines, chord progressions and leads which form the basis of contemporary Black music, and just about every dance tune breaks down to a combination of three standards. And the great thing with them is they ALL work together - they all evolved out of 100s of thousands of man-hours of people playing and improvising Jazz, Blues, and eventually they found 128 of each which form what's known as the polymorphic harmonies. (And these are quite complicated from a musicology point of view: increasing one note by a 1/16th could throw all the harmonies off - polymorphic theory welds syncopation to harmony, and that's what dance music came out of.)

All Alex Reece, all Ed Rush & Optical, all Roni Size, Goldie, Break and some newer artists just use Vanguards chopped in half (first half bassline, second half of a chord pattern), Black Science Labs: 100% standards, Dubstep uses them.

So yeah, if you can get a copy of Martin Evans' Vanguard Standards in a s/h book store, don't hesitate. You'll find it on every producer's shelf, and usually another copy next to their desk. Only problem is it can make the whole process feel a bit too easy! It's basically sampling melody.
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All Alex Reece, all Ed Rush & Optical, all Roni Size, Goldie, Break and some newer artists just use Vanguards chopped in half (first half bassline, second half of a chord pattern), Black Science Labs: 100% standards, Dubstep uses them.

I highly doubt goldie understands music theory!


But you're right, this is why a lot of people struggle to release tracks, they are trying to make music with zero music knowledge.
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what a typical b****-j*w method
you might want to tone down the racism.

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gee you posted just in the same second i edited it. i thought people might confuse BATCH-JAW with something else.
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lol @ trial & error methods!

No wonder you guys are struggling to get tunes out. Afaik, every pro out there uses the Vanguard standards, and have done since the earliest days of dance music.

These are the 128 basslines, chord progressions and leads which form the basis of contemporary Black music, and just about every dance tune breaks down to a combination of three standards. And the great thing with them is they ALL work together - they all evolved out of 100s of thousands of man-hours of people playing and improvising Jazz, Blues, and eventually they found 128 of each which form what's known as the polymorphic harmonies. (And these are quite complicated from a musicology point of view: increasing one note by a 1/16th could throw all the harmonies off - polymorphic theory welds syncopation to harmony, and that's what dance music came out of.)

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So yeah, if you can get a copy of Martin Evans' Vanguard Standards in a s/h book store, don't hesitate. You'll find it on every producer's shelf, and usually another copy next to their desk. Only problem is it can make the whole process feel a bit too easy! It's basically sampling melody.
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