very much merci...

i also often have a limiter on my master channel because sometimes the vsts have that initial click when you load and bypass on/off them...i just forgot here...

too good am listening at really soft volume and it wasnt badly loud for the speakers...my audio interface is pretty much always somewhere round 9 o'clock at most and amp at 10-11

The signal level between clipping and heavily limited will almost be no different.

Instead read this article:

Gain Structure

Working with no headroom is not advantageous in any way. (and has some down sides)

cheers

SafeandSound Mastering

i use the limiter just in case there are buggy blows...nowhere near kissing it when am doing my loops...

edit : actually am trying the technique of working into a 1-2db compression with ~2:1 ratio but that happens at ~-4/-5db and the limiter is still there at the end

The most dangerous spikes in level are usually from tweaking the resonance on filters. They can do serious damage to speakers.

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Can a limiter prevent all damage to your speakers? I've had some horrendous accidental feedback loops that couldn't have been good even with a limiter on the master.