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B-complex
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Location: 09C4

Renoise

yeah trackers :) it was nice time of history... but with these newschool trackers [and in my subjective view, renoise is best of them, ] is quite powerfull tools for making music. I am just wandering if there are more people on DOA using it :)

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12-29-2004 07:43 PM

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The new ASC album was done in Renoise..!

Most breakcore producers, like Venetian Snares and a lot of the other Planet Mu guys, use old-skool trackers - Namely MED Studio - Which is freeware and about as hardcore as you're going to get...

Paradox still uses the original Amiga version, OctaMED, doesn't he..?

The learning curve on trackers is very steep, but give someone a tracker and in a week or two they'll be able to program things that would take months to do in Logic/Reason/etc... and would NEVER sound as tight or as slick... Programming beats, start offsets, panning, fx, etc... tracker style, makes the whole sequencer come alive - You can do things I'd not even think about attempting in SX or Pro Tools.

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12-30-2004 02:29 AM

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Point of Reference
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brendan
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where can i learn to use a tracker

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12-30-2004 02:55 AM

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MiL0
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check the www.renoise.com website for tutorials - very nice tracker and will be perfect once they implement a proper piano roll

desimal uses it for composition I believe btw

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If only this weak little fucking genre had 1000 more producers willing to step outside the miniscule box that's been built around the sound and create something different.

In this tiny turd of a musical backwater, they're the only thing making real, innovating changes to DnB, something that ultimately will result in DnB living longer.

Christ, I hate you small minded fools for continuing to hate on them--it's the reason dnB is in such a sorry state today, you reductive-ass idiots. You don't like their "advanced" version of DnB? Go work that hard to make your own. Go blow dnB out in another direction, make it into your own new thing, do something ANYTHING to advance the sound.

Or, you know, go make the 50 millionth deep drumfunk track and shove it up your ass with the rest.

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Point of Reference
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who needs a piano roll when you can use energyXT inside of buzz/renoise

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12-30-2004 12:49 PM

B-complex
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With all respect to other software products, I think that trackers are the most creative tools , I still remember when I stopped using madtracker [becouse of sound] and start learning in reason I was very surprised that simple things I knew from trackers was quite hard to make with these sequencers, also later with cubase I found that very simple things from tracker's point of view was too complicated to make. When renoise implement piano roll and some proper mixer, maybe also advanced sampler options it will be best solution for producers at least comparing cost/quality.

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12-30-2004 12:50 PM

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Renoise offers a workflow which I can't really find elsewhere. The envelopes alone make it worth a look, and it seems to incorporate everything that sequencers had and trackers lacked...except for a piano roll, as mentioned.

Next version will include either that or Rewire, the devs claim. Meantime, it can be MIDI slaved to a sequencer with a piano roll. Particularly good companion for Reason in this way; the two apps seem to cover one another's weak areas very neatly.

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Point of Reference
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don't get me wrong, i like renoise very much...I just can't live without my buzz machines

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don't get me wrong, i like renoise very much...I just can't live without my buzz machines

Wasn't there a post on the Renoise forum stating that they got authorization from the buzz dev. to add support to the buzz machines?

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ohmegav
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who needs a piano roll when you can use energyXT inside of buzz/renoise

How do u do that? Any tutorials out there?

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12-30-2004 01:26 PM

Point of Reference
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Wasn't there a post on the Renoise forum stating that they got authorization from the buzz dev. to add support to the buzz machines?

yeh, but that was almost a year ago with no updates...so I have my doubts to say the least

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12-30-2004 01:50 PM

B-complex
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Location: 09C4

Here is the link for renoise tutorial, it's quite helpful, If I've had something like this when I started with my ft2 it would help me a lot :) but anyways most important thing is try&see :)

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12-30-2004 02:45 PM

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I need to learn renoise

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rounser
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who needs a piano roll when you can use energyXT inside of buzz/renoise

Have you also tried Sonicbytes EST? It's a step sequencer/sampler/drum sequencer as opposed to a true piano roll, but another good GUI interface to try inside your main host.

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12-30-2004 10:22 PM

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Seriosly tho sequencers like Logic cubase MUST be better, they cost like �1000's

I am gonna give renoise a go as this is the 20th or so thread i've seen bigging it up but i can't see how a freeware program would be better for making tunes than something like Logic cubase etc etc it just seems ridiculous to even suggest...

but like i said i've never 'actually used' a tracker...yet

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Seriosly tho sequencers like Logic cubase MUST be better, they cost like �1000's

They're in a different league. There's features on them that I wish I had access to, like the ability to force MIDI events into a smaller area yet retain their relative position and size in relation to one another. Or simply sample audio, for that matter.

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I am gonna give renoise a go as this is the 20th or so thread i've seen bigging it up but i can't see how a freeware program would be better for making tunes than something like Logic cubase etc etc it just seems ridiculous to even suggest...

I think I like the integration and lack of abstraction.

If you think, like me, that 9/10ths of dance music production is editing samples, then layering, enveloping, looping and LFO-ing them, sequencing them and effecting them, and then maybe sampling the result again for another round of manipulation, then you'll probably need:

1) An audio editor application.
2) A sampler plugin.
3) A sequencer (with piano roll and arranger).
4) Effects plugins.

Renoise can do all of this, on three tabs, without need for plugins or external apps, and nothing hidden in menus. Live and Reason come close, but not to the same degree of integration at the sample level (you can select an area of sequencing in Renoise's pattern editor and choose "Render selection to sample slot" for instance, and the result ends up in the sampler). Not having to flip between windows or "Save As" samples and then "Open" them elsewhere - that alone is a big plus for me.

Then it has the usual tracker virtues (and limitations), which you have to try out for yourself to understand. Step input alone is nice sometimes, and trackers make great drum machines (although I'm using tools like Ruction and EST at the moment because I like slider control over velocity).

And the Fasttracker envelopes/LFOs rock IMO - for me, that's the dealbreaker which it has over other similar apps which are still using ADSR.

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12-30-2004 11:39 PM

B-complex
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In the first place it's different. Tracking technique is quite independent from common sequencers. Logic and Cubase deals with lots of things you are not using when you produce music, or to be more specific "dance" music.. Trackers are best when we're talking about "creative use of samples" there is a big tracking knowledge in the time when VST did not exist, people were able to simulate effects like delay, reverb, flange, chorus, filters and so on just with intelligent using of samples and tracker. With trackers you can create very quickly things that you have to program in sequencer for much longer time...

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btw I've made a small clip in renoise so you can check it out how does it actually sound.. It took me about 10 minutes to make it including choosing samples .. so you can make a picture

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