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Tips and tricks for managing a music internet presence - post them here

This came out of a thread where someone mentioned that they find it a bit of a nightmare to keep all their various sites and networks updated. So here we drop tips to make things easier. If you set things up right, you can keep a constellation of points of presence active with virtually no effort.

Also worth reading 'what do you mean by web-prescence?'

here's a few of my tips:


www.ilike.com - apart from being a high-profile music network in it's own right, you can integrate your fans there into your facebook band page (which you should really set up for the players etc). When you post a bulletin on ilike you can also then post it straight into your myspace blog with one click, and you can also trigger myspace bulletins from it at any point - which makes handling myspace a lot easier. When posting myspace blogs and bulletins from iLike they also carry linkback info so you can bring your myspace fans back into iLike - it's generally a good idea to try and keep your followers moving in loop in case something happens to your central account and iLike means you can keep people moving between myspace, facebbok and iLife itself pretty easily







www.ping.fm - this is a service that lets you post status updates, blogs and photos to loads of different networks at once.

these are the services that i use, and that ping can update in one go:



and, aside from simply using the ping site, these are the ways in which i can send an update out:




www.tubemogul.com - upload videos to loads of different sites in one go and track traffic stats in one place.




www.artistdata.com - can't be arsed to explain, but you get the idea:





hope this is helpful to some. will post more tips later. If you've got any questions about how to do certain things then post them here too - i've probably come across it at some point :)

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very useful info.

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Great post.

One thing I'd say is for anyone considering using these tools, give some thought into HOW you approach them. Giving up all your information at once is not going to help, you need to create/inform your content with whatever makes you unique. There is a fantastic post by Cartridge which he made in about 2003 about web presence and I've never seen the idea expressed better. Will try to dig it out.

Edit - here it is: http://www.dogsonacid.com/showthrea...=175617&cache=2

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quote:
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Great post.

One thing I'd say is for anyone considering using these tools, give some thought into HOW you approach them. Giving up all your information at once is not going to help, you need to create/inform your content with whatever makes you unique. There is a fantastic post by Cartridge which he made in about 2003 about web presence and I've never seen the idea expressed better. Will try to dig it out.



yes absolutely.
As i just posted in the twitter thread, the really important thing to remember about your web presence is that it's no longer a destination, but an ecosystem where people can triangulate to the information they want in different ways. There should be a fine balance of consistency of information at all points; enough so that people won't miss the important stuff if they don't go any further, but also enough exclusive stuff here and there to keep people following you around and moving from place to place.

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Ugg.... I hate being the nay sayer, but this kinda shit pisses me off.

I know people that spend 4 days whoring themselves out for each hour they spend working on music. It seems like its more about how many "friends" they have and less about the music. If the music is really good, then people will come to you naturally. For me, music is about creation and art, less about acceptance or "fans".

It also bothers me that you seem proud of it enough to make a guide. "Gather around everyone! I have mastered being a tool! (NEW TRACK!!)"

Whats next? "How to use spam bots"?

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thanks for taking time out to post that

one tip is using wordpress. you can auto import postings to websites like facebook (wordbook plug-in) and virb (configure blog settings).

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quote:
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Ugg.... I hate being the nay sayer, but this kinda shit pisses me off.

I know people that spend 4 days whoring themselves out for each hour they spend working on music. It seems like its more about how many "friends" they have and less about the music. If the music is really good, then people will come to you naturally. For me, music is about creation and art, less about acceptance or "fans".

It also bothers me that you seem proud of it enough to make a guide. "Gather around everyone! I have mastered being a tool! (NEW TRACK!!)"

Whats next? "How to use spam bots"?



i agree about the spam annoying and corny as hell.
although the people who would see it on those sites chose to sign up for the artists page. they can easily take themselves off.

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quote:
Originally posted by aakurtz
Ugg.... I hate being the nay sayer, but this kinda shit pisses me off.

I know people that spend 4 days whoring themselves out for each hour they spend working on music. It seems like its more about how many "friends" they have and less about the music. If the music is really good, then people will come to you naturally. For me, music is about creation and art, less about acceptance or "fans".



think you may have missed the point of the post, which is about getting the benefits of these sorts of services without spending loads of time on them.

for example - using ping while i'm sitting on the bus, i can write a blog post on my phone and post it to all my blog sites in one go from the handset before i even get to the studio. It's not about wasting time, it's about maximising time. See the difference?


And as for people coming to you naturally if the music is good - not sure you could ever measure that. For every one bedroom genius that gets 'discovered', there are probably 20,000 with tom@myspace as their only fan.
It's a specious argument anyway - how could you ever know that good artists will always be discovered if they're never discovered for you to think otherwise? It's a tautological argument and doesn't make any sense once you think about it for more than 30 seconds...

But anyway - like i said in the twitter thread, if your militantly against giving people access to your music on a point of principle then all power to you. I find it slightly odd though, I'll be honest.

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quote:
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It also bothers me that you seem proud of it enough to make a guide. "Gather around everyone! I have mastered being a tool! (NEW TRACK!!)"

Whats next? "How to use spam bots"?



lololol - ok champ. you can get bothered about it if you want. The fact is, there's loads of people on here and elsewhere who use facebook and myspace and twitter and virb and imeem and youtube and all sorts of stuff.

I'm offering them some info on how to cut down the time they spend on all that stuff so they can spend it on something more useful, like writing music maybe?

seems kind of useful to me

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thanks for taking time out to post that

one tip is using wordpress. you can auto import postings to websites like facebook (wordbook plug-in) and virb (configure blog settings).



yes - if you set your facebook page to import your wordpress account, each new post will appear as a new posted 'note' on your facebook page.

You can also take an rss feed from your blog to you facebook music page, which otherwise don't support notes

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quote:
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www.ping.fm - this is a service that lets you post status updates, blogs and photos to loads of different networks at once.

these are the services that i use, and that ping can update in one go:





'kin hell

fair play to you, you should rent out your services to the dnb market. personally self-promotion is really not my forte at all (it's not that i don't know how to do it, more that i'm almost pathologically averse to the whole idea...)

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'kin hell

fair play to you, you should rent out your services to the dnb market. personally self-promotion is really not my forte at all (it's not that i don't know how to do it, more that i'm almost pathologically averse to the whole idea...)



haha.

well hang on. there's a difference between self-promotion and making yourself available, which is the distinction aakurtz failed to make - that's interesting because he himself has several point of web-presence including a video-blog. He's just not promoting it.

I haven't mentioned promotion at any point in these threads - they are about "managing" your presence, not 'promoting' it

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Excellent stuff - thanks for taking the time

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OK - here's another tip

Keep a folder on your machine that is your 'social network kit'

It should contain:

1 X full length biography
1 X one-line biography
1 X default profile photo or image
A selection of other photos or images
4 x pre-cropped, 96kbps clips of tunes
Videos if you have them

Having this always on hand means that, when you stumble across some new network or site that looks like it might be useful, you can plug in and have a presence straight away without having to make any effort. If nothing comes of it, you've lost nothing, but if it turns into something useful then you've got your account there which doesn't need any significant maintenance

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www.tubemogul.com - upload videos to loads of different sites in one go and track traffic stats in one place.





today's tubemogul report just arrived. this is what they look like

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Good Thread and posts Beefy, something for me to think about if I ever have anything ever come out.

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Good Thread and posts Beefy, something for me to think about if I ever have anything ever come out.


actually now waiting with baited breath to get something of yours :D

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quote:
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actually now waiting with baited breath to get something of yours :D


:0)

Wow, nearly sent a couple of bits recently. Wanted to wait until everything is just right before I send,
no sense in being too impatient with these things.

not too long now though. :)

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if only more people had your sense of discipline tbh

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quote:
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if only more people had your sense of discipline tbh


I didn't always have it ;)

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It might seem unimportant to some I guess but I'm always in two minds about using this name for my productions, I know this veers off from the threads point a bit, I think maybe that because I've posted a lot before and lots of silly stuff and treated this place and others somewhat of a chatroom, forgetting that people can see some of this sometimes, some of it makes me think maybe this would be unprofessional of me to use my forum name for my productions, although I am the same person do I really want a web presence that can be searched through and associated with some of my sillier or more personal posts, I think some of it I have realised how cringey it can be when I've seen stuff reappear and thought what am earth have I posted on the internet , although I still post silly things here and there, most now is more in irony

When something gets sent, I'll be sure to let you know it is me if I do decide to go with my other nickname.

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