How to get the Calyx/Teebee/nuero flow bass

Apr 3, 2012

  1. tommerry11

    tommerry11
    97 posts
    Since Sep 23, 2011
    Hey dogs. Figured something out in ableton today. This is my attempt at the morphing flowing basslines of calyx and teebee. After weeks of experimenting with foley basses and various reeses, I'm finally getting closer :D

    An example of what ive been going for

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExhvZBITU64

    Calyx's Get my self to you :slayer:. the bassline this track is pretty damn awesome. In my opinion it uses several different bass patches (a plain saw reese, a notched stab and a reese with a band pass filter), this is then processed by additional filtering and distortion. the patches are faded through eachother throughout the bassline.

    So... this is how i acheieved a similar sense of flow between stabs/reeses and such in ableton (could be used in other daws but i have no idea).

    1. I created a Instrument rack, with 3 chains (a synth in each; a reese, a chord stab and another reese, with different processing)
    2. set up the chain selector so the stab is on section 1, the first reese is on section 2-127 fading out, and the second reese from 2-127 fading in.
    3. bind a macro to the chain selector (and any other macros you might want, filter cutoff and such)
    4. write a catchy 4 bar melody, and then automate the macros until pleased.
    5. compress/limit/distort until it sounds reasonably glued together.

    Just an idea. :wink: Combining this with foley bass would probably end up with phace/misanthrop styled stuff.

    preview.

    http://soundcloud.com/tommerry11/moar-fadey-bass

    Pack of patches and breaks from me, including patches from the preview

    http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?1t2cgtl8bvxv5rh

    and the project file to the preview

    http://www.mediafire.com/?3k4sc0121uoyql1
  2. SourBattery

    SourBattery
    495 posts
    Since Aug 15, 2009
    The fading between sounds really messes with your head when listening to it right? In a good way I mean.
    I love calyx/teebee basslines and have tried making em a lot of times. Never got close but in the ballpark at least.
    With this kind of bassline I like to start with making a riff with only sub/subs first, but its more of an workflow issue.

    btw, this "foley bass" thing is really starting to annoy me. Its a incorrect use of the term (name) foley.
    Foley is live "sound design" performed to a movie screen. In other words footsteps, clothing and related sounds that is time consuming and does not sound right when placed there by hand with a DAW.
    "Found" sounds that is used in sound design is just sound design, nothing else. Thats how sound design started in the first place, with found sounds.
    /Rant over. Sorry OP :wink:
  3. tommerry11

    tommerry11
    97 posts
    Since Sep 23, 2011
    Fair enough, it is indeed just sound design, but really foley is what the sorts of sounds have been labeled. I feel that it is more the concept of recording sounds to replicate others (stretching plastic to lion growl).

    And thanks for the sub tip, i've always added sub last (because i can barely hear it with my monitors or headset), but i guess i could try writing it an octave higher (audible) then lower it later.

    Another tip, In NI massive, try using every single part of the synth at once (as many macros as possible, envelopes on everything and light use of lfos), insane amounts of movement :D. Free patch http://www.mediafire.com/?5n5rn7b377i11yv
  4. SourBattery

    SourBattery
    495 posts
    Since Aug 15, 2009
    If you feel that way its fine. And its true that in many soundbanks footsteps, clothing sounds and others are categorized as foley. Still, the "term" is used wrong. Ever heard of Jack Foley? the worlds first foley artist. I can assure you that he didnt do any soundediting in his entire life.

    Yeah not hearing the notes is quite a problem :laughing: Actually I have a simple sawwave or something playing with the sub, giving some harmonics so I can hear what im doing. I just dont do any modulations exept maybe pitch and volume. Probably should have mentioned that. I feel like im fumbling in the dark with modulations if I dont have a riff first, but thats just me.

    Dont use massive myself, nice tip tho. :twothumbs:
  5. tommerry11

    tommerry11
    97 posts
    Since Sep 23, 2011
    Uploaded some audio samples

    http://soundcloud.com/tommerry11/fadey-bass-preview-sc

    1. Amen and worm cutups :teeth:, and 3 seperate basslines faded through eachother.
    2. Some compressed beat i made and the bassline was made from a kick drum granulized and 2 other synths faded through.
    3. Some break i processed and a single synth with macro automation.

    Really awful (bwahaha that amen), and definately dont really sound anything like calyx and teebee, but they do have a similar morphing to them. I'm not in a conditioned room (or have studio monitors where i am for that matter), so this is definately not mixed very well. When i get back to my main setup/studio thingo, ill provide a much better example.
  6. techskunk Banned by DOA

    techskunk
    2,715 posts
    Since May 5, 2011
    I have nothing to say except

    THANKS, for linking that tune, because I didn't know it, and I thnk it's one of the best Calyx / Calyx & Teebee tunes I ever heard.

    Fucking massive.
  7. tommerry11

    tommerry11
    97 posts
    Since Sep 23, 2011
    It is indeed "Fucking massive". one of my favorite drum and bass intros ive heard, and a really awesome bassline.
  8. Rogue Trooper Giant Smurf

    Rogue Trooper
    1,495 posts
    Since Jan 22, 2004
  9. lavaviper

    lavaviper
    193 posts
    Since Oct 29, 2011
    This patch is seriously awesome. Did you make this?
  10. adampdnb whomp mechanics

    adampdnb
    110 posts
    Since Jun 28, 2010
    do u have it in ksd format??
  11. tommerry11

    tommerry11
    97 posts
    Since Sep 23, 2011
    @lavaviper

    Yes, i made it. its definately not my best patch, i just uploaded it because it was in the preview.

    @adampdnb

    no, sorry. If you are a legit user of massive you should get the update, and if not, its not exactly hard to find. :mad:

    @everyone

    If anyone is intrested in patches, samples or breaks I've got quite a collection (of my own). I could release a pack if you dogs wanted. :teeth:
  12. lavaviper

    lavaviper
    193 posts
    Since Oct 29, 2011
    As long as its free:teeth:
  13. tommerry11

    tommerry11
    97 posts
    Since Sep 23, 2011
    Of course :D.

    I've made a small pack that im currently uploading, featuring 10 massive patches and 18 breaks. I'm currently not at my studio so i dont have access to the majority of my samples and such. Be warned, some of the breaks are very very badly mixed, and some of them are very bad in the first place.

    Download:
    http://www.mediafire.com/?1t2cgtl8bvxv5rh

    back on topic, I might post an Ableton live project with my morphing bassline/synth thing, if its needed.
  14. mr meh

    mr meh
    565 posts
    Since Jan 10, 2011
    Sounds good mate, i'd be interested in taking a look at that :tea:

    Lol at being a dnb head and never heard this tune before :laughing:
  15. tommerry11

    tommerry11
    97 posts
    Since Sep 23, 2011
  16. futilerecordings Misanthropic Anthropoid

    futilerecordings
    1,996 posts
    Since May 11, 2008
    I'm curious about what exactly the macro is doing in your example. I've been interested in Ableton for quite some time, but every time I demo it, it just infuriates me! It seems glitchy, and nothing is where I expect it to be. I haven't given up on it though, as I hear so many great things about it. If you don't mind, could you go further in depth about this part:

    1. I created a Instrument rack, with 3 chains (a synth in each; a reese, a chord stab and another reese, with different processing)
    2. set up the chain selector so the stab is on section 1, the first reese is on section 2-127 fading out, and the second reese from 2-127 fading in.
    3. bind a macro to the chain selector (and any other macros you might want, filter cutoff and such)

    The "Chain Selector".... is that like a crossfader of sorts? I'm just curious what you're actually doing in this example, and if Ableton is offering some unique way of working. :twothumbs:
  17. tommerry11

    tommerry11
    97 posts
    Since Sep 23, 2011
    The chain selector is basicly a crossfader, with customizable amounts and sections (to some extent), In my example project, the Morph control is the chain selector (it fades between multiple sounds), the filter control is the two filters being used in the reese patches (both different filters for more variation and are using two filters parallel each), and the modulate control changes a macro in massive for both patches.

    In the project i used 4 patches rather than 3, and i would also layer a sub in aswell (add another chain with a sine patch).

    Apologies for grammar and spelling. I just woke up at 4am after nightmares about spiders.
  18. Earwax

    Earwax
    132 posts
    Since Jul 8, 2008
    A little off topic but at the same it isn't. Back in 2005 I took a friend who didn't know anything about electronic music let alone DnB to see Calyx when he played in San Francisco. All night he played boring neuro stuff like this and Nate left the club completely unimpressed with DnB. No one who isn't a DnB producer understands or cares about stuff like this. It has a lot to do with why DnB has become such a nerdy irrelevant genre. Over the last 15 years the emphasis on engineering has become grotesque.
  19. tommerry11

    tommerry11
    97 posts
    Since Sep 23, 2011
    Maybe so, but you're posting this on a forum dedicated to drum and bass (for the most part) and the engineering of these kind of sounds has been discussed since they were first made. As a dnb producer (if i could even call my self that), I have a huge interest in the making of complex sounds such as these.

    If one of your friends doesn't give a fuck then good for them, neuro isn't all dnb, if you wanted them to appreciate it then you show them the stuff that they would. Should of brought your friend to a Dj fresh or pendulum concert, they are much more of a entry point to listening to dnb.

    Excuse my grammar, but seriously.
  20. felun serial procrastinator

    felun
    429 posts
    Since Jan 20, 2004
    Maybe nate just wanted some vengaboys that night?!
  21. sustenance

    sustenance
    329 posts
    Since Mar 26, 2012
    The fuck! :ana:
  22. Rogue Trooper Giant Smurf

    Rogue Trooper
    1,495 posts
    Since Jan 22, 2004
    When I first heard early techstep eg by Ed Rush, Nico, Trace et al. I thought it was the most amazing futuristic thing I'd ever heard. D&B has never been irrelevant and still isn't irrelevant. If it was, then this forum would have shut down, and no-one would be making or listening to D&B, but that certainly isn't the case. You don't have to produce to appreciate it. In fact the majority of D&B listeners are not producers. There is a whole new generation of D&B producers that will continue to keep the genre alive and there are several genres that have been highly influenced by D&B, such as uk garage, grime, dubstep, and breakcore. Making any kind of electronic music is nerdy, because you have to be both intelligent and dedicated in order to develop the knowledge and skill required to make it.

    Earwax's arguments really don't make sense and certainly don't follow from having a single friend who didn't like a particular genre of music.
  23. tommerry11

    tommerry11
    97 posts
    Since Sep 23, 2011
    @Rogue Trooper

    Damn right. I don't see Tech/Nuero dnb going anywhere soon, it's being kept alive by the likes of Teebee, Caylx and Spor (among many others, such as noisia and phace, but they are more dark).

    @sustenance

    they were crawling. all over me. it was not fun. it was like being tickled, and being bitten by cats at the same time.

    @everyone else

    Does anyone else have any ideas on this style of bass?
  24. Distorted waves AKA SpecialistSound

    Distorted waves
    235 posts
    Since Jan 29, 2002
    thanks for the uploads.
    not really good at nuero so any starting point is helpful.
    appreciate the thread.
    Hope more people add to it. If i manage to get anything anywhere near the calyz & Teebee movement in my sounds, i'll upload a vid or something
  25. tommerry11

    tommerry11
    97 posts
    Since Sep 23, 2011
    I find the easiest way to find techniques for movement is to just experiment. Try making as many unique patches in your main synth but going for a certain style of sound (such as a reese, or a growl). you'll have to get pretty creative to keep them original :D

    for the tshwoooooo effect that noisia some times uses, i bounce my bassline, detune 2 copies, layering it together, then have a filter running through it (auto filter in ableton is good, you can automate filter type as well). then layer this with the original sound, resample and so till you achieve a good sound.
  26. piZMo Registered abUser

    piZMo
    262 posts
    Since Apr 22, 2007
  27. JerryHill45hz

    JerryHill45hz
    9 posts
    Since Apr 16, 2012
    Couldn't have said it better myself
  28. tommerry11

    tommerry11
    97 posts
    Since Sep 23, 2011
    So basically, you are agreeing? why not just rep him and not bump it?

    tbh, it had nothing to do with what this topic is about. This was about informing people on how to achieve a type of bass/mid sound and for people to contribute their ideas on the Calyx/Teebee sound design. Sure, sound design has become a huge part of EDM, and maybe taking over melodical elements in some cases, but things change. Get over it, other people have different views on music.

    To me, if it sounds good, there is no reason not to like it. What does it seriously matter?
  29. Sanguis Mortuum

    Sanguis Mortuum
    8,755 posts
    Since Aug 29, 2003
    God forbid that DnB producers make music liked by people who are actually into DnB. Maybe you would be happier if they all just made dubstep instead?
  30. dag451 SEMAPHORE

    dag451
    269 posts
    Since Aug 16, 2010
    A little more on topic - you should try out the morph filter in Live's sampler. Seems to be one of those overlooked features in Live. You can get some crazy filter modulation using that thing, especially if you sample a bassline that is already using some filter modulation. Seriously, give it a go and hear it for yourself.