Minimum alcohol price thread

Mar 23, 2012

  1. radjew

    radjew
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    Is it going to work? Makes the budget rather irrelevant when they pull out a mega-tax the day after in the name of 'control'. UK will be one miserable place after 5 years of the tweedle dumb and tweedle dee show. Pricing worked in Scandanavia I suppose and will also shave some expense off the health budget. The elephant in the room is air-quality though (probably as destructive as smoking but no-one mentions it) which Spelman has already said is too expensive to tackle :smashed:
  2. radjew

    radjew
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    should have been a poll but this shitty website required I login to post it and then blocked me out.

    options were:

    (i) alcohol related crime and hospital visits should be paid for instead.
    (ii) Will work and is needed.
    (iii) Won't work and is a nanny state move
    (iv) blue and yellow stilton
  3. luthatron \o/ Lord Wavey \o/

    luthatron
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    it's not that simple to answer with a poll imo.

    it will be bad for pubs, which i think is a bad thing, people will just drink tins at home rather than go down the pub, i realise pubs aren't particularily healthy social places but they are traditional and local and i think the pubs dying out is a bit of a shame.

    this won't really effect alcoholics, they'll drink whatever the cost.
  4. neepheid Space Pirate

    neepheid
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    who the fuck gets pissed on super SKOL anyway?
  5. Villain68

    Villain68
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    Yep. Same goes for the duty rise on cigarettes and tobacco - people will still smoke no matter the cost if they're addicted.
  6. 2turntables ♫♪♫♩♬♭♫♪♫♩♬♭♫♪♫♩♬♭

    2turntables
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    the minium pricing will not affect pub prices as they are way over the minimum. if anything it may entice people back into the pub if supermarkets are no longer able to carry on with their loss leading booze sales (tesco had 12 330ml cans of heineken for a fiver last week). minimum price of a can of 4% beer would be about 90p, wine about £3.79.
  7. Villain68

    Villain68
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    Poor alcoholics.
  8. neepheid Space Pirate

    neepheid
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    true.
  9. ChavXL Drinking the banner ads

    ChavXL
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    It's a silly idea in my opinion.

    Alkies who are poor are just going to start thieving for their fix.

    It's not such a huge increase that it will stop kids drinking, or binge drinking.

    Constant increases in cig prices aint dissuaded smokers. The only thing that did was the smoking ban. Maybe we need something similar, ban drinking in public places completely; get rid of pubs, bring in a quota licence like they have in the UAE (you can only buy £X amount of booze per month).

    The other reaction is yer students/poor people increasingly buying illegal mooonshine. This happens with cigs already; 2 of my mates exclusively buy dodgy fags/polish fags. This is tax money that is being lost due to the price increases.

    The idea of charging drinkers for drink related NHS stuff is absolutely abhorrent. If they did that, then I want the same to apply for drivers/mountain climbers/motorbike drivers/cyclists/people who eat red meat etc etc etc.

    On a side note, I would be interested to see if the VAT on booze pays for the NHS bill of alcohol related conditions.

    edit: 2turntables makes a great point, this could be good for the pub trade
  10. luthatron \o/ Lord Wavey \o/

    luthatron
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    yeah, if you are on minimum wage you have to work for 2 hours for a packet of cigs, which is 1/4 of your working day (roughly)

    if you smoke 20 a day (which is quite common) you are going to be spending about a quarter of your wages on cigs.
  11. 2turntables ♫♪♫♩♬♭♫♪♫♩♬♭♫♪♫♩♬♭

    2turntables
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    does it tend to be kestrel or bucky round your way?

    £3 3 litre bottles of white lightning ftw
  12. neepheid Space Pirate

    neepheid
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    it is a little worrying that if we all stopped drinking, smoking and started riding bikes the British government would collapse :laughing:
  13. neepheid Space Pirate

    neepheid
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    a) talk to retrend about that

    b) always, back in the day!
  14. 2turntables ♫♪♫♩♬♭♫♪♫♩♬♭♫♪♫♩♬♭

    2turntables
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    teenage summers wouldn't been the same without them

    so lol how it took a shitload of marketing to get anyone to drink cider again after the aversion therapy that was puking on a park bench sometime in the mid 90s
  15. neepheid Space Pirate

    neepheid
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    yes, it's awful the new generation wil be denied our simple pleasures. first they dilute our 8.2s and now this :mad:

    and yeah, I do a little gag even when I see a magners ad.
  16. luthatron \o/ Lord Wavey \o/

    luthatron
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    the use of ice in cider is hilarious and a testament to the power of marketing.

    cider = errgh no thanks trampy kid!
    cider with ice = ooh thanks jonty, that's refreshing.
  17. 2turntables ♫♪♫♩♬♭♫♪♫♩♬♭♫♪♫♩♬♭

    2turntables
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    :laughing:
  18. neepheid Space Pirate

    neepheid
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    I do have one mate who still drinks the Ks. He can have an unusual smell on a hot day :smashed:
  19. radjew

    radjew
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    In places like coventry public drinking has been banned since the late 80's where you get a 100 pound fine for having an open can, etc.. Obviously hasn't worked though.
  20. radjew

    radjew
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    They'd bring in a bike tax don't worry.

    They should remove all bars from the commons IMO. Where else can you drink what you like then return to work planning efficiency drives for other professions :laughing:
  21. neepheid Space Pirate

    neepheid
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    Or headbutt Conservatives :tea:
  22. neepheid Space Pirate

    neepheid
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    oh and on the subject of mid-nineties cider drinking, I happened across this a while ago
  23. BleakReference

    BleakReference
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    Ridiculous. Our entire fucking culture - and I'm speaking for Britain here, not just England - is built around booze and overindulgence therefrom. I've only really realised this after hanging out with so many teetotal indians over the last few years - they think it's utterly bizarre and it absolutely is.

    And something definitely needs to change because it's mental, no arguments from me on that score. I've spent a little time in A&E wards over the last few months - not that you'd need to to know our relationship to alcohol is not healthy - but it definitely enhances your understanding of the point.

    But this idea that you can wave a magic wand and put the price up and suddenly our entire culture does a switcheroo - it's bullshit. The answer is education and giving people something to live for that's more cheap and more interesting than getting utterly pissed. And the fact is that most people don't have that. And before you think I'm some bleeding heart liberal advocating pingpong matches for street gangs, this would be something which we'd all benefit from as a culture - if we all had more of an attitude that spending a Sunday in a pub is a total waste of time when we could all be out doing something valuable instead.

    And what I find particularly offensive is all the parties coming together to deliver a consistent message on this like it's a hugely important issue and its good for the populace and anyone who disagrees wants compulsory liver failure for children under 10 - it's bullshit. This is what it is - a stealth tax designed to hit those least able to deal with it. Fuck this bullshit.
  24. ChavXL Drinking the banner ads

    ChavXL
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    yep, the same on the tube / in islington

    but i meant public drinking as in even pubs/bars. Why dont they give that a go like they did with smoking
  25. blaze dis one Registered Loser

    blaze dis one
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    Yeah but is it actually a tax? I thought it's just a minimum pricing regulation? The supermarkets are the ones who stand to gain - or loose if people start going to the pub more instead.
  26. Risc_Terilia DarkLord of the Socialism

    Risc_Terilia
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    Can't really see how pubs will be negatively effected, their prices are already way above the proposed minimum. I think if used sensibly this could be a good measure to get rid of cheap high volume largers and ciders that only really exsist to exploit alchies.

    All this shit about preventing mass binge drinking is nonsense mind.
  27. jollycakes Reformed Troll

    jollycakes
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    pretty much. its an attempt to gloss over deeper issues. I think its a stealth move to take out small brewers who wont be able to absorb a sudden increase in costs as well as the bigger corporations, despite their products generally being about 1000 times tastier and healthier due to less pesticides etc, and just bring in more tax.

    Any argument about it taking strain off the nhs is fatuous at best, you could also argue that reduced drinking would take experience away from future liver and pancreas surgeons, which would affect poorly people who've never drank a drop in their lives yet need an operation.
  28. 2turntables ♫♪♫♩♬♭♫♪♫♩♬♭♫♪♫♩♬♭

    2turntables
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    i agree with you completely apart from this point; it's not a tax, alcohol duty remains the same, just retailers are not allowed to sell for less than a certain amount per unit.

    and it's more of a northern european thing than just UK; historically what else are you going to do when the weather is shit and it's pitch black outside for 16 hours a day for a third of the year? stay in and get hammered.
  29. neepheid Space Pirate

    neepheid
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    absolutely, and whenever you get a teetotaller in power it's trouble, and you need a pisshead to fix things. Hitler and Churchill, for example.
  30. blaze dis one Registered Loser

    blaze dis one
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    I think the problem is that "getting fucked" is ingrained in our culture - even if alcohol was banned completely and all illegal drugs vanished we'd be smoking fucking nutmeg and banana skins till we vomited and the streets would run silver with laughing gas canisters.

    The problem in the UK is that it's a bleak place to live and people have zero respect for their own bodies, and how do you change that?