Im talking about still being upfront and keeping everyone in the know for all the years they've been around. As an example, if you compare Beta vs. Virus... obviously Beta has the upper hand. Podcasts, regular releases, etc... I mean, if I had to pick a couple, Id say Hospital and The Hardware Camp are still up on it. Regular releases, regular club nights, regular print ads, an online presence etc... I find it interesting how a few years ago, every label was pushing their business, now it just seems a few are still willing to do it and the rest are just kinda coasting along. Thats just my opinion though. Discuss.