Massive or Serum?

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  1. ED209

    ED209

    ED209

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    Hi, as some who have been following the thread I created may know I'm switching to Ableton. I don't know of many synths outside of Reason but have narrowed it down to these two. Any others worth considering? What do people think?
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    Gred Lvov

    Gred Lvov

    Gred Lvov

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    Since Dec 13, 2016
    Personally i love the Operator (Ableton Suite version included synth) or FM8 by Native Instruments. But when it comes to choose one of these two things i will pick up the Serum. Serum include way more wavetables (and you can create your own, or just download from internet). More filters, effects. Way better LFOs, ADSRs. And hell yeah, the interface is foundation. One thing that i really miss is the randomizer from Massive.

    Anyway, try both, and make your personal choose!:)
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    ED209

    ED209

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    Thanks a lot for the reply been playing with Operator and can see it has potential. Ill see if I can get a demo of both or something.. Thanks!
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    ewan_kerr

    ewan_kerr officially crowned worst member on doa

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    serum

    p.s. if anyone is looking for a copy of fm8 give me a shout, still boxed, i have two copies
  5. ED209

    ED209

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    Heard Serum was perhaps the better of the two
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    luthatron \o/

    luthatron

    luthatron \o/

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    Yes it is. Better effects, better filters more wavetables, import your own etc etc etc etc.
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  7. ChewyJetpack Dancefloor geometry innovator

    ChewyJetpack

    ChewyJetpack Dancefloor geometry innovator

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    Serum hands down
  8. ED209

    ED209

    ED209

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    Looks like this won't be hard. Was leaning towards serum anyway
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    Rogue Trooper Giant Smurf

    Rogue Trooper

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    Serum is way more flexible. You can import all the Massive wavetables anyway and you can import samples into the noise oscillator. It can also do speech synthesis and synthesize wavetables from images.
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  10. ED209

    ED209

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    Nice
  11. Noob9001 Bag of fookin' shit smashing around in a pot

    Noob9001

    Noob9001 Bag of fookin' shit smashing around in a pot

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    The only thing I miss in Serum is a third oscillator.
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    Sidius AKA Tryptich

    Sidius

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    Serum is great but I still use Operator way more.

    It's the best!
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    Meckler

    Meckler

    Meckler

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    Since Oct 12, 2008
    Serum all day every day. So easy to get good sounds out of - really good if you're starting out with synthesis.
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    cool mr croc een bolleke alstublieft

    cool mr croc

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    Mania You people make me sick

    Mania

    Mania You people make me sick

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    Serum still can't replace Massive for me. Massive has so many cool unique things about it, as well as a flawless workflow, it's still the go-to. Also a lot more suitable for newbies imo.
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  16. Meckler

    Meckler

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    Yeah that might be true actually. Never got 100% comfortable with Massive.

    Everyone probably thinks the synth they know the best is easiest to learn I guess.
  17. luthatron \o/

    luthatron

    luthatron \o/

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    I do think Serum sounds better. There's just something a bit limp about massive, it's really hard to get a convincing sub out of massive for some reason.
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    Jimmy Crack

    Jimmy Crack

    Jimmy Crack

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    Yah still serum. like massive a bit but it's stupid easy with serum plus you get serum fx. which can be midi triggered. global unison options modulation. u just make basic wavetables in additive that sound nice to u and morph between a few to make cool sounds with the timber u want. Cool formula options for altering phase and bin/harmonic content. drawing wavetables real basic shapes that u can crossfade etc. stereo resample. render warps on your basic shape drawing. (remap 1 custom warp mode). 8 lfo kbt velocity and 3 envelopes. loop able start anywhere triggered LFO's. copy paste invert lfo. save lfo n quick scroll lfo shapes. Waveshaper. hardclipping. sick ping pong delay. 0 uh speed hz? phaser which u can set the frequency to root note at full mix. decent flanger chorus. Not fan of hyper / ott. nice eq n filters for days. mod matrix whuch u can assign lfo env or macros to evolve your sounds or note triggers. u can load percussive stuff in the sampler. Audio rate modulatuon. The am fm Rm shit is dope. the fm is better if you use the standalone fm table generator for serum.


    Probably missed some too. woop woop.

    massive does have the performer stepper which makes for better leads. also the distortion routing and more pleasing aliasing to me is nicer un massive. so is the verb.
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    BHK

    BHK

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    Is there a way in serum or any software not to have drawing lfo envelopes, but instead drawing them on paper at first, then scanning into the computer and convert into a file that opens my envelope drawings, or is it possible to convert wave tabels for this?

    How sick would it be if that would be possible, then you could at first imagine some really unique ones, bring them down to paper and import into.

    I've already created eight so far, goal is at least 200 :)


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  20. Final Pho

    Final Pho

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    I love serum too, but do you find that a lot of the sounds sound "serum-like?" I swear I can pick out serum sounds on a lot of professional tracks (unless they're layered). Even with the infinite options in serum it seems like it leaves a pretty recognizable fingerprint on them.

    Lately I've just been using the oscillators, maybe a warp mode (FM, AM, RM) and the main filter, then doing all processing with different plug-ins and that seems to give the sound a more unique character.
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    Feeding Cone make love not horses

    Feeding Cone

    Feeding Cone make love not horses

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    Serum definitely sounds better, it's more of an instrument. You can tell it had more input from musicians than engineers. Massive sounds really good in an academic/technical sort of way, but Serum is more useful for making music.
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  22. Jimmy Crack

    Jimmy Crack

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    Oh for sure its that way with any synth.
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    ewan_kerr

    ewan_kerr officially crowned worst member on doa

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    i'm actually looking forward to an updated version of massive...the filters need fixing for one thing
  24. Jimmy Crack

    Jimmy Crack

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    I dont think its gonna happen.
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    ewan_kerr officially crowned worst member on doa

    ewan_kerr

    ewan_kerr officially crowned worst member on doa

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    you might be right... but we can live i hope
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    Risc_Terilia DarkLord of the Socialism

    Risc_Terilia

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    I'm not sure any synth will support waveforms where time goes backwards :badteeth:
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  27. Xeomi FML

    Xeomi

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  28. BHK

    BHK

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    Oh, and I thought serum is a synth that can do anything, I feel now fooled. :)
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    Risc_Terilia DarkLord of the Socialism

    Risc_Terilia

    Risc_Terilia DarkLord of the Socialism

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    If anything could travel back in time at least a synth will give you the right sort of soundtrack.
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    Mania You people make me sick

    Mania

    Mania You people make me sick

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    Serum does sound better than massive, yes. It has filters and oscillators 10 year, you they still needs newer so that makes sense. Both are still purely digital, plain oscillators, which means they both need a bit of channel strip work to sound proper, but when it comes down to the nitty gritty, it usually doesn't matter.
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