Modern Analogue Mixer

Production | Mar 17, 2017

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    AmberYeti

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    Hello All, I am really interested in moving out of the box as I spend twelve hours a day looking at a screen at work and it's sapping my energy to be creative when I have to do the same at home for production. The first thing I will be looking for will be a mixer but there is more I have my eye on for a more physical workflow.

    I was going to post in the other recent "I want an analog mixer" thread but thought it would be best not to take away from that conversation.

    Basically I would like to buy a mixer but for various reasons and personal preference I wouldn't really want to get an old mackie or soundtracs mixer, which leads me to my question.

    Is there any modern analogue mixers that have good valve pre-amps that can be misused in the same way that the beloved Mackies and others can be?

    I came across this after a brief search but seems to be discontinued and looks to of been pretty expensive for what I'm after as I would prefer something a little more simple and straight forward with less channels.

    http://www.tlaudio.co.uk/docs/products/M1-F.shtml
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    ja-ki

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  3. AmberYeti

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    Cheers for the suggestion mate! that does look good, I'll have a look around at other Allen and Heath's to see if it has a little brother as that would be perfect.
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    sato

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    You sure about the valve pre-amps thing? That is going to be seriously expensive and afaik none of the their mixers you mention had them.

    If you are after hard/crunching overdrive then you want transistors anyway as they add even harmonics. Valves add odd harmonics which are considered more pleasing to the ear. But for tearing dnb mids probably are not what you are after.
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  5. ja-ki

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    yeah I think the zeds are the smaller brothers. The GSR24 has that valve thing you mentioned though (not worth it I guess)
  6. AmberYeti

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    I wasn't sure so this is exactly the type of information I was after! Cheers
  7. AmberYeti

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    Ah I figured it would be the Z's, I guess it wasn't the valves I was strictly after just the ability to add the distortion from over gaining.
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  8. AmberYeti

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    I just wanted to note I'm not against Mackie or soundtracs as brands, but are their new mixers as good as their old beloved ones? I guess my only main criteria is that it needs to be analogue so as to actually benefit the sound rather than just being a physical extension of the computer.
  9. AmberYeti

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    Would I just be better off buying a new standard mixer and not clipping through it but instead using a seperate transistor pre amp guitar pedal or something?
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    Risc_Terilia DarkLord of the Socialism

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    I have an MXR Distortion+ and a Soundcraft desk, the desk is a very different overdrive sound (better for what I want it for imo) - the MXR really can't be subtle enough but that's not to say there won't be other pedals that may be worth looking into. The MXR is great for 303s which is what I got it for.
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    ja-ki

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    definately. There are loads of colors to be had, aswell as these pedals were meant to do exactly that. my allen & heath for example distorts badly And I rarely use it on drums, subtly. it's cool to drive a desk but most of them aren't meant to be overdriven. there are just a few sagas around that famous producers used to clip their desks, that helped developing the misconception of getting the exact same effect by doing so. there is so much more to it than just clipping an old 8bus. get two different pedals, or rack units that were meant to do so and you will be in a completely different ballpark. promise
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    Transient Energy

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    Get a soundcard and some guitar pedals
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  13. ja-ki

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    ... but summing OTOH....
  14. AmberYeti

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    is that on the other hand? please elaborate if you will kind sir!
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    sato

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    The Soundcraft LX7 series desks are excellent for what you want to do. Don't get a modern Mackie, you will be very disappointed with the sound of the inputs being driven.
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  16. AmberYeti

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    Just checked out the LX7 and it looks great albeit way overpowered for the basic needs I have for a mixer, with that being said though after a quick search I saw that even the cheapest Soundcraft EPM series has the same GP30 pre-amps so I guess that will also do the job! Can you think of any reason why it wouldn't?

    Seriously tempted as they are insanely cheap!
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    sato

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    Try before you buy. You may hate it. The EQ on the LX boards is really nice.
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  18. AmberYeti

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    Thanks for all the helpful advice Sato!
  19. Ray Dalio

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    I think the advantage of old Mackie 8-buss desks is they're very cheap on eBay .. Outside dance music, they're not much use .. I think Trent Reznor likes them, and The Strokes did an album on one, but any pop or rock band would probably want something smoother or more clinical – otherwise they'd just mix in Pro Tools.

    They're definitely underpriced compared to newer desks.
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    sato

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    Mackies do seem to suffer reliability problems in my experience so better not to buy blind (deaf) if you can. Ask to hear it running on each channel. Wiggle the input leads especially and also the inserts if they have them wired up....if not it is worth taking along your own insert lead and something to run it through.
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  21. sato

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    ...but yeh, for the features they have they are certainly cheap - and plentiful.
  22. sato

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    The LX7 is designed as a live board so may have had a hard life but they are better built than the mackies. Still
    Worth checking it out in person though. Again, there are lots of them about so they tend to go quite cheap.
  23. Ray Dalio

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    The big problem I had with them is blowing the mix busses .. I had an M-Audio soundcard that used to send a jolt of electricity through the outputs on startup.

    On a 24 channel desk, the channels seem to be summed in groups of 8 .. and if you overload the mixbuss, you can knock out or damage the reliability of 8 channels in a row.

    Important point with overdriving the desk is never to overdrive the mix buss – just the pre-amp .. So keep the desk and channel faders right down.
  24. ja-ki

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    trent loved the d8bs not the 8bus
  25. Ray Dalio

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    I remember him praising the 8-buss, and he mixed Further Down the Spiral on a 32-8.
  26. Noise-Signal Diphallic Dude

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    m-audio sound cards are shit, I have one and there is no driver support for windows 10 so I have drop outs and I have to restart the device a lot. I bought it when I did not know much about equipment. I won't get a new one until I get a decent job though. Why spend 300 when I am looking at getting an Information Systems degree with some web development knowledge and a security cert not far off.
  27. Ray Dalio

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    This was certainly the cheapest way to get 8 audio outputs back then .. And the quality was fine .. But it's a real problem they certainly didn't warn you about back then: that this gear wasn't really studio-tested at all .. You can only imagine the damage it could've done on a bigger desk.
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    Noise-Signal Diphallic Dude

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    My problem is the software support has always been abhorrent though. Sometimes I have to restart my whole computer because just turning it on and off causes a blue screen of death. Maybe the problem is windows though :badteeth:
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  29. R0llin

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    When my mackie sr24-4 died Mackie asked for over £500 to repair it, so I told them to skip it. 3 months later they called me to say they still had it and after a friendly chat they replaced the whole main board for free. Just charged me 1 hours labour and a courier fee to return it.

    My Delta 1010 didn't last long either.

    My Delta 66 on the other hand is going strong after 15 years (I never upgrade the OS without checking drivers are available first).

    Some you win some you lose.

    I will probably cry the day my 1200s and Technics mixer give up the ghost.
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    AmberYeti

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    Will that ever happen :teeth: I bought my 1210's secondhand from someone who received them new as a gift and they look, feel and sound like the world will end before they do!
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