what i hate about dnb

Production | Mar 11, 2017

  1. MOSLEY first man on uranus

    MOSLEY

    MOSLEY first man on uranus

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    people mixing tunes that aren't in the same key but work more or less, but then a note is played that isn't in key and it irks me

    even when my jaw's like a high octane cylinder
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    junglebass1

    junglebass1

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    if people mixed all the tunes in the same key the set would sound like one boring long song, best
    mixes are when you drop a tune a few keys down straight in, bit like falling off a sheer cliff face.
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  3. Drumdeaf

    Drumdeaf

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    This happens in any music genre that's mixed. Get a grip mate.
  4. Jimmy Crack

    Jimmy Crack

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    ^^ Keep it interesting. Tunes roll totally different depending on what key their in... least when I'm writing I notice that.
  5. junglebass1

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    infairness I might be getting key and octave mixed up, the default key in my sequencer is A#
    so all tunes get done in that, never tried another one.


    wouldn't have a clue about key in mixing, technics 1200 don't tell you the key.
  6. Jimmy Crack

    Jimmy Crack

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    What sequencer does that?
  7. junglebass1

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  8. Jimmy Crack

    Jimmy Crack

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    Ah word. Thought maybe another daw did scale hilighting on piano rolls. Must be something else tho looking at acids layout.
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    Burnlees

    Burnlees

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    FL does this in the piano roll, once you place like 3 notes it'll tell you the key in the top left corner and highlight the notes
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    ChewyJetpack Dancefloor geometry innovator

    ChewyJetpack

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    mixing in key is a mission.
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  11. junglebass1

    junglebass1

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    don't think acid pro even has a piano roll tbh, midi implimentation on it is useless, can't even get a vsti to work on it have to use a programme that turns vsti's into stand alone programmes and record it back in through the mixer as audio.
  12. mundos In forest.

    mundos

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    Think you might be mistaken there, sequencers don't have 'default keys' to my knowledge.

    It depends entirely on what notes you actually play or program
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    Jimmy Crack

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    Ya i did say another daw :spliff::spliff::spliff:.
    You can save your own score in the data\patches\scores\reference scales folder. Here are some of the ones ive saved.

    Attached Files:

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  14. junglebass1

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    tbh, I don't really understand what "key" is (I'll learn from google later) but when you open it up on a new project it's on A#
    as default, ever since I remember, I know it makes some kind of difference because one time in the middle of a tune I started messing around with the different "keys" and the sound was changing pitch, slowing down, speeding up, bit like time stretching, I thought I didn't need to be messing with that and left alone ever since.

    is it something to use when your playing chords or something?
  15. Jimmy Crack

    Jimmy Crack

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    Ah damn. You use it? Seems bit rough to get along with no? Almost like hardware without having hardware.'



    EDIT: Obviously if u know how to use it, an it works, no doubt use it. Just never seen anyone mention it before really is all.
  16. mundos In forest.

    mundos

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    junglebass1

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    it's basically same as using hardware, I just use that for one bass patch in one vsti I found, I record all the rest from the outboard synths/drum machine, I couldn't get along with the midi, should have tried a different daw/sequencer, prefer audio.
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    Burnlees

    Burnlees

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    Ah wicked man, I had no idea. Cheers :tea:
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  19. Jimmy Crack

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    No worries! I dont think Auto works well with them but it might.
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    MOSLEY first man on uranus

    MOSLEY

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    you don't have to mix sets in the same key at all, but if you're just doing a straight fade into another song or double dropping then make sure it's in key or at least fits the tonality

    i mean on some dnb songs you'll basically have that phyrigian/phrygian dominant sort of feel lets say, in so far as the half step followed by a minor third/major third, like bad company's the nine, that's basically just a motif of a half step really innit with like a cadence sort of tension release every 4/8/16 bars or whatever. you still have scope to play around with the tonality because that half step could be the half step of the locrian scale or the phyrigian scale, or it could be the half step in any other diatonic mode. It's entirely dependent on the harmony, and in a genre like dnb where lets be honest, it's usually got a really simple sparse harmony with more focus on the bassline, you have a real ambiguity to the tonality. most techstep tunes just mess around between a minor third or summat simple like that, there's no reason to play a tune where there's a note that's soooooooooo clearly out of tune cause it just sounds bad, when you could play a tune that's in a different key but actually fucking fits
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  21. MOSLEY first man on uranus

    MOSLEY

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    in terms of music theory you could stack a minor chord on top of a major chord, as long as the minor chord fits into the extension of the major chord

    so A C E is a minor, C E G is C major, A C E G is a minor 7, the notes fit so you can play em together and it'd work (talking about just straight chords here, not songs)

    but if you had one song that's just hamming an A minor, the other C major, but the A minor song has someone hitting a b2, whilst the C major song really embellishes the 9. Yeah that probably wouldn't fit (well maybe as a straight chord it would in some context but in terms of dnb it wouldn't)

    there's usually ambiguity in terms of tonality in dnb, allowing other keys to fit on top of songs, but that ambuiguity doesn't mean you can put two things that just don't fit over each other
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    MOSLEY first man on uranus

    MOSLEY

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    obviously dnb, or the stuff we all laud over here, doesn't really adhere to traditional keys and music theory, and instead relies on fragments and implications of tonality/chromatic shit, but the point still stands

    actually especially, as the sparse arrangement leaves so much more space for not making there be dissonant clashes.
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  23. junglebass1

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    sounds a bit complicated that, I'd hazard a guess that 95% of dnb songs are written in the key of A anyway.
  24. MOSLEY first man on uranus

    MOSLEY

    MOSLEY first man on uranus

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    that's not the point i'm making tho mate
  25. junglebass1

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    be interesting to find out, I'd say hardly any dnb producers would know what key they were in, I'm sure you have to press a black key to get a chord, most only press the white keys with one finger.
  26. MOSLEY first man on uranus

    MOSLEY

    MOSLEY first man on uranus

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    the white keys are c d e f g a and b, you can play chords on them, typically it would imply a c maj key, but you can still play a chord on just the white keys that would be part of a key that uses the black notes

    that's not the problem either, what i have a problem is is people mixing tunes that don't fit together audibly
  27. junglebass1

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    oh yeah, I agree with you totally, you should be able to tell if it's going to clash before playing it , thats basic, can't be playing tunes that clash, pianos are the worst, heard some serious trainwrecks, you really notice the key on them.
  28. Jimmy Crack

    Jimmy Crack

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    Ya I think pianos are usually tuned to because there all a bit unique n I woild imagine they clash awfuly. Do agree with u op when djs suck n it's off key like that.
  29. Noise-Signal Diphallic Dude

    Noise-Signal

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    It did on like version 6 or 7. It even has VST support now.
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    CunningLinguist In Unimatrix Zero

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    I HATE THAT KEMAL AND SKYNET STOPPED MAKING DNB.
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